and the three of us are thinking, we have 11 children among the three of us. barbara has two, barbara tonelli for, i have five. for surely as night occurred to them. a week later we were with john edwards was the florida leader of the era and we were having dinner and we were talking about some constitutional issue to which he said, what do you think of that? we thought my god, john, this is remarkable. thank you for asking. we told them what happened a week before. all the same people were at the table, many of them. and they said, we would have never done that. we would never have done that. we thought, you know, you don't even know what you don't know. you don't have a clue that she was talking about child birth and you didn't even think that was something you could ask ice, do you really want to have this conversation? it was on par with the floor house, one of them said when we had a debate over family planning, someone who didn't share my views stood up and said nancy pelosi thinks she knows more about having a beast than the pope. [laughter] so not that